On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 15:41 -0400, Dave Mann wrote:

[drastically trimmed for the sake of brevity]

>
> I'd specify marketing literature showing the basic bike built out and
> modified as:
> + Touring build
> + Commuting build
> + Rando build
> + Flat bar city bike build
> + Cross build
> + Citizen racing/triathlon build

I'm doubtful that the same basic frame could be built for every one of
these roles. Yes, if you trimmed back on load and specified "light
touring" you could get touring, commuting and randonneuring with some
differences in kit. Maybe. If you sort out braking (about which see
below).

But cyclocross? I'm doubtful -- unless by "cross build" all you really
mean is you can put 32mm knobbies on it, but forget about racing. Not
that I know diddly about the subject, but from what I read on the VSalon
forum, /real/ cross racers have little but contempt for those pseudo
cross bikes that people are actually using for kinda-sorta-tourers and
commuters.

And then, there's the thorny issue of braking. What would the cross
build use for brakes? Are you committing to canti posts across the
board?

If so, doesn't that basically eliminate triathalon? (Actually,
considering what the triathletes I've met ride, it's kind of hard to
imagine them on anything that could masquerade as a touring bike or a
cyclocross bike with nothing more than a quick costume change and
rackectomy.)

Or do you think you can get away with some kind of wide-mouth dual pivot
sidepull brake? That might play well with some of the possible builds,
but I don't think it would work once heavy mud comes into play.

> Offer the bike in classic steel at 3 price points with different
> levels of components.

This, at least, we've seen before. This was Cannondale's approach with
its touring bikes. Identical frame (except for paint color) and several
levels of componentry.





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>
>
> But cyclocross? I'm doubtful -- unless by "cross build" all you really
> mean is you can put 32mm knobbies on it, but forget about racing. Not
> that I know diddly about the subject, but from what I read on the VSalon
> forum, /real/ cross racers have little but contempt for those pseudo
> cross bikes that people are actually using for kinda-sorta-tourers and
> commuters.
>
>

Surly's, etc, are certainly a little heavy for racing, and one could
probably do better at their pricepoint. Regardless, any drop-bar, 700c bike
should work fine for entry-level cross as long it has decent clearance and
cantilever brakes. Likewise, many of the bikes you see at cross races have
enough braze-ons for light touring (until recently, even the top end
Specialized's had low rider mounts on their carbon forks).

 -Ben

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